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    John Shields
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    From Alan James – 19 May 2020

    Good morning all

    Here are some notes on the northernmost farm in Borgue parish, a very interesting corner.

    All the best

    Greenslack Farm fns AJ notes

    Alan

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    #1403
    John Shields
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    From Michael Ansell – 1 May 2020

    Good afternoon Alan, a further thought on this place-name prompted by Borgue’s proximity to the Isle of Man. In Manx Gaelic there is (or was) apparently a word maase which means ‘cattle’ and which is incorporated in the place-name Ballavaase ‘Cattle Farm’ apparently where cattle for Peel Castle garrison were kept before slaughter. Moore mentions this on p192 of The Surnames and Place-Names of the Isle of Man. However Broderick does not seem to mention this farm but has Ballavaish which might be the same place (my Manx geography knowledge is shaky!) and he says this derives from Balley y vaaish ‘farm of/on the precipice, steep sided hill’ cf Ir baitheas/baithis ‘crown of the head, pate’. He also says màs, buttock is possible however. He does not mention the supposed Manx Gaelic word maase, cattle, anywhere in his volumes.

    Kind Regards

    Michael

    #1404
    John Shields
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    From Alan James – 1 May 2020

    Maase is in Cregeen’s Fockleyr ny Gaelgey (1835), ‘cattle, kine’. Also, with the same meanings in Phil Kelly’s 1993 update of D.C. Fargher’s Fockleyr Gaelg-Baarle.

    Balley Vaish in German is listed in Phil Kelly’s Enmyn Ynnyd, presumably that’s GB’s Ballavaish. Nothing closer to Ballavaase, though there’s Cronk y Vaase ‘hill of the cattle’ in Patrick. Kelly also

    has Maase as ‘great ridge’ as in German, Maase Beg ‘little ridge’ in Andreas and Bride, and Poyll Vaaish as ‘pool of death’ in Arobory.

    I’ll think further about Tannymaas.

    Alan

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